Posted by czar055 on November 04, 2005 at 13:21:38:
In Reply to: Help the Lord Today - India Missionaries need Help... posted by Bible Probe on July 01, 2005 at 09:05:05:
You christians really are fools. Do you have the faintest idea how the missionaries work?
If I was doing so called God's work what would I require? I would need 2 pieces of bread daily, maybe a cloth in an year or two, desire to help others and last but not the least the blessing of God or in your case "JESUS". Can the so called devotees not arrange for 2 pieces of bread daily??
If you are using money for conversion, that means you are trying to buy GOD!!!! Well persons can argue that they need money for transportation and other expenses. Well travel by foot as I think Jesus did.
They show you the photos of poor people. Ironically it was you christians who made India this poor & backward. It means that first you go cut the throat of a person and when he is about to die try to heal him and act as if you are morally very great.
Lets narrate a story. Its not historically true (as most stories are). I am stating it for argument purpose only.
Once when Jesus was travelling he came across a poor man who had not had a meal for many days. Now what will Jesus do??
1) He will tell the man the way to salvation. Give a huge lecture about how god is so great.
2)Perform a miracle so that the man is never troubled by hunger again. (I don't know if Jesus ever performed a miracle of defeating hunger). Jesus himself ate his last meal is well documented(Holy grail & stuff).
3)Tell the person that he will give him some bread if he is baptized, becomes a christian & follows him as he is the only way. All other persons & all other ways are just crap.
4) Give the man some bread to eat (maybe even his own share) and try to cure his poverty by finding some employment for the man.
Jesus as I know him would never go for the first choice even in his dreams. The second choice is also out of question because hunger and pain cannot and should not be eradicated. They serve a purpose.
The third choice well it would be suitable for some merchant trying to sell his ideas but not for the so called "SON OF GOD". The last choice is only the sane one. Save the man first then his soul can be saved later on.
Missionaries well they always follow the third choice.
They will tell a poor man that they will provide with so and so amount or some loan or other monetory facilities if and only if they change their religion. There have been reports that many families were baptized for a mere SEWING MACHINE which cost around Rs. 1000 or 25$ or less. Since I am not a christian I will definitley go to hell. What can I do? Why dont I give 25$ to JESUS for a ticket to heaven........
Col. Satish Oberoi (Retd) has written about the exclusive nature of the Semitic religions: "Not all religions/faiths venture into conversion activity. Religions, which do so as their main objective, are exclusive faiths whose followers worship exclusive gods. These exclusive gods bless only those who worship them through their favored emissary. Often these gods even threaten and punish those who do not worship them. Christianity and Islam fall in this category.
Does conversion improve lot of the people? If we see the condition of the people who were forced to convert to Christianity and Islam in Africa and South America, we see that their condition, material or spiritual, hasn't turned for the better. Even in India, the organized/ exclusive religions are demanding that converted people must be given "reservations". Even the much- criticized caste distinctions have been retained in the converted people."
(source: Conversion Imbroglio - Col. Satish Oberoi).
The conversion of a few Catholics to Protestantism was condemned by the Pope in these words — 'these rapacious wolves are preying upon my innocent sheep'. . The concept of 'stealing' in the matters of faith is alien to Indian tradition. The Encyclopaedia Britannica observes, "Christianity, from its beginning, tended toward an intolerance that was rooted in self-consciousness... Christianity consistently practised an intolerant attitude in its approach towards Judaism and paganism as well as heresy in its own rank" (p.288 Macropaedia-vol 16, 15th edition).
One can disagree on the Vatican's strategy to hard sell Christianity but hardly doubt its intentions. The Church, flush with resources, now uses modern management tools and propaganda techniques to continue with its agenda. In contrast, Hinduism is not only a non-proselytising religion but also non-exclusivist. Without a centralised Church or a mandatory dogma, it believes that paths to God can be as varied as there are human beings. All monotheistic religions believe in 'One God' (the God they preach) but Hinduism believes that 'God is one'. The Church believes in dominating, Hinduism believes in synthesis.
The arrogance of the whites, their Biblical zeal and war-like tactics combined to motivate their proselytising efforts.
This is the Vatican's unfinished agenda, which probably expressed itself in Pope's November 1999 call for the evangelisation of Asia in the third millennium AD.
(source: Conversion Bill - By Balbir Punj - Times of India).
The doctrine of ever-lasting punishment for "unbelievers" in Christianity is repugnant to the Hindus: "Seeing that we live in this world but a few years and our sinful actions are, as to their Duration, transitory; why then should the Punishment be Eternal?
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